Rey Skywalker: The Future of Star Wars?
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Hello there.
Gary Elliott:We would be honored if you would join us.
Gary Elliott:Spark of Rebellion.
Mike:Hello there and welcome to Spark of Rebellion, the Star wars show that brings you news, views and a little bit of humor from a galaxy far, far away.
Mike:Today we're going to talk about the Ray situation.
Mike:Allegedly, she's vital to the future of Star Wars.
Mike:We're going to talk about yet another movie pulled from the release schedule.
Mike:We're going to talk a little bit about TV Skeleton crew and or and it wouldn't be completely November without some Black Friday deals, some goodness and some new releases.
Mike:We might even wrap up with something from the rumor mill.
Mike:Who knows where we'll end up?
Mike:I'm of course, Mike, one of your hosts here at Spark Rebellion.
Mike:I'll be bringing on my esteemed co host in just a second.
Mike:But before I do that, remember, you can check us out on all of the podcasting platforms or you can tune in@spark rebellion.com where you can also become part of our skeleton crew, spark rebellion.com support.
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Mike:Now we are going to get into some news this week.
Mike:It's been a little bit sparse actually over the last few months and actually it's just felt, it's just felt like we've been repeating ourselves a little bit.
Mike:New movies, announced cancellations, trolls, people complaining they don't like anything.
Mike:It's been a little bit repetitive.
Mike:So because of that, we're actually going to be taking December off after this week.
Mike:We will be taking a little bit of a hiatus and we're going to be coming back on January 18th with a review of the hall of Skeleton Crew that comes out early December and it runs right through to the 14th of January.
Mike:So once that's finished, we can get into something me to give it one of our famous reviews and go deep on that one.
Mike:So we'll be back after this episode on January 18th.
Mike:Now, without further ado, let's bring on the scoundrel with a beard that would make Mace Windu proud if he was to return from death.
Mike:Because as we all know, when you come back from death, and you might be questionably morally set up, you do have a little beard just to keep the audience on their toes.
Mike:So welcome the bearded one, Gary Elliott.
Mike:Hello, mate.
Gary Elliott:Good morning, mate.
Gary Elliott:So our listener, how we doing?
Gary Elliott:Yes, we've both got beards.
Gary Elliott:I can see you're, you're growing yours out a little bit for the benefit of the listener marks.
Mike:Well, it's the same with the hair though, mate.
Mike:Sort of growing the hair a little bit.
Mike:Because I'm away for two weeks, Anna, after this week, I'm off.
Mike:I'm off on holiday, so I'm sort of.
Mike:I'll just go through the shave on like Friday or Saturday.
Mike:You know the drill.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, yeah, I do that as well.
Gary Elliott:Yeah.
Gary Elliott:Christmas, dues, holidays, people coming over.
Mike:You shave the night, not the people coming over.
Mike:Not interested in that.
Gary Elliott:Depends who it is.
Mike:Well, it does depend who is actually.
Gary Elliott:Yeah.
Mike:Not.
Mike:Not anything dodgy.
Gary Elliott:No, not in that way.
Mike:Well, maybe not.
Mike:Whatever.
Gary Elliott:Yeah.
Mike:See how the night goes.
Gary Elliott:Whatever.
Mike:Whatever what you've been Star wars in.
Gary Elliott:What have I been Star wars in now, really?
Gary Elliott:Oh, I've sunk another.
Gary Elliott:Another few hours into Star Wars Outlaws.
Gary Elliott:I feel like it's one of those games where a bit like you with the Living Force book.
Gary Elliott:I feel like I'm not making too much head ground headway with it, but I'm chipping away.
Gary Elliott:You know that feeling where you not progressing massively.
Gary Elliott:But yeah, you're chipping away.
Gary Elliott:So I'm on Tatooine actually at the moment, which is kind of cool.
Gary Elliott:There's like a few Easter eggs dotted around on there.
Gary Elliott:You can go to.
Gary Elliott:Go to Lal's homestead and see.
Gary Elliott:You can't see any burning skeletons.
Gary Elliott:Nothing like that.
Gary Elliott:It's no, you know, nothing like that.
Gary Elliott:They've put none of that.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, but you can go there and have a look and you got Jabba's palace and all that stuff and you can chip around and.
Gary Elliott:And do that stuff.
Gary Elliott:It's kind of cool.
Gary Elliott:There's a bit of nostalgia on that one, but, yeah, other than that, dude, nothing.
Gary Elliott:What about you?
Mike:Not a ton.
Mike:Just getting through this.
Mike:Galactic Empire, rise and fall.
Mike:Nearly finished that one actually.
Mike:So I'll have that done before the old holiday.
Mike:It's really good.
Mike:So it seems to dip a little bit in the middle, but it is very, very good.
Mike:So I've been enjoying that.
Mike:So, yes, I'll stick that on my Goodreads or whatever we use in these days.
Mike:The kids.
Mike:Now, let's get to a few stories then.
Mike:So we've got.
Mike:We've got a few different, I suppose a few different types of story today.
Mike:We've got the usual, oh, look, a movie's been pulled.
Mike:But we also do have a few rumors and it's Black Friday coming up actually next week.
Mike:So we're gonna get.
Mike:Some things tend to get released, which is quite good.
Mike:So we'll talk about all of that stuff.
Mike:But we are going to start with.
Mike:An anonymous source has told the Hollywood Reporter that Rey Skywalker is played by Daisy Ridley will reportedly appear in several upcoming movies, not just.
Mike:Not just the new Jedi Order, one that we know is in development.
Mike:We don't know how far that's got, but we know it's in development.
Mike:But allegedly, this source says that she's the most valuable cinematic asset, Anakin Luke, but also that she's gonna be moving forward in several, several films.
Mike:So I, I do sort of get this, dude.
Mike:I sort of get this.
Mike:If this is true.
Mike:I mean, it's a anonymous source.
Mike:Who knows if it is true.
Mike:I do understand it, you know, young woman, Skywalker name, you know, like it or not, but I think I'm not.
Mike:I don't want to say this to sound disparaging to the character or today's a Ridley, because I like both.
Mike:I don't think Ray was particularly fleshed out very well in the original trilogy, but then was Luke.
Mike:I don't know.
Mike:Who knows?
Mike:But it doesn't feel particularly strong.
Mike:I feel like every other trilogy has had several strong characters.
Mike:So Luke, Leia and Han were obviously the perfect trifecta and strength in numbers there.
Mike:They appealed to different people, different reasons, and the same, I think in the prequel trilogy, you know, Anakin, Obi Wan, and in the Phantom Menace, you had Liam Neeson, you know, really commanding presence.
Mike:So I don't.
Mike:I don't know, man.
Mike:I, I see this.
Mike:I see why this could be a thing.
Mike:But I, I just.
Mike:I don't know how strong the character is because it just feels a bit underdeveloped.
Mike:But then you can't develop it without making more movies.
Mike:So I sort of, you know, you can't chicken and egg that.
Mike:So I don't know.
Mike:I'm.
Mike:I suppose I'm a bit ambivalent on it, as always now with Star Wars, I'm a bit ambivalent on it.
Mike:What do you make of it?
Gary Elliott:Yeah, again, I see this.
Gary Elliott:I see why they're trying to push this a little bit.
Gary Elliott:I think most of me thinks this is a good move.
Gary Elliott:I'll tell you why.
Gary Elliott:It's because I saw something the other day.
Gary Elliott:It was at one of the various Star wars blogs or whatever.
Gary Elliott:I think it was Screen Rant actually.
Gary Elliott:And they were saying that the headline was Star wars is the Star Wars's main problem is that it's a nostalgia machine.
Gary Elliott:And it's difficult to keep recreating nostalgia.
Gary Elliott:And I, I Read that.
Gary Elliott:And I thought, oh, it's another clickbaity thing.
Gary Elliott:And then the more I thought about it, I was like, they might have a point there.
Gary Elliott:You know, when you keep having to regurgitate pockets of time around the original trilogy and having to come up with new stuff, but also very familiar at the same time, it does become a bit of a challenge, and especially for Star wars fans of our age, not that old, but you know, the older crew who relies to a degree on some of that nostalgic, sort of nice warm fuzzy feeling.
Gary Elliott:When you watch Star wars, you can only run on that for so long.
Gary Elliott:So I think this is a good move to say, like, okay, we've already got a new ish established character.
Gary Elliott:Let's just bloody run with that.
Gary Elliott:There's probably a cynical part of me that thinks we've got nothing else.
Gary Elliott:We haven't got anything else.
Gary Elliott:So Ray's as good as we're going to get.
Gary Elliott:So I think this is a good move overall.
Gary Elliott:I think if you're going to choose a character and push through into new Star wars territory and do new stuff, it might as well be Ray, dude.
Gary Elliott:So, yeah, I can see why they're doing it, but it's like you said, this chicken and egg thing, you have to, you have to put content out in order to flesh out the character a bit more.
Gary Elliott:But you got to take that, that, those steps to do it, you know, So I get it.
Mike:Yeah, it's a tough thing in it.
Mike:I think it's.
Mike:You're right, nostalgia is such a big part of it, but at the same time it's, it's that we've talked about it 10 times over the last two months.
Mike:Like just the fact that if you move away from nostalgia, you just get the assholes online.
Mike:And we've said it before, like Star wars is just in a very unique position in that it's got that problem, you know, it's, it's not, it's not like Marvel or DC where it's like, well, that's not comic accurate.
Mike:Yeah, it's an interpretation of.
Mike:And a lot of the people will be fine with that.
Mike:Whereas with Star wars, it's, oh, it's not Luke, it's not Anakin, you know, and it's, we talked about it again in the, the sequel trilogy to some people.
Mike:Force awakens is 10 year old next year.
Mike: if that's, that's like us in: Mike:And it's, it's a weird scenario in that you, you know that those, those movies will be the introduction to Star wars for so many people.
Mike:And these characters will be the Star wars characters, you know, not the old guy, you know, not that old guy that was, that was stood there.
Mike:It'll be someone else.
Mike:And it's, it's just, it's sort of weird that they've always got to tread this so carefully because they, you know, it's, it's almost like it'll be easier to do this in 50 years time or 60 years time when we're all dead because you know what I mean?
Mike:Because we're not, you know, the mid-40s guys now.
Mike:We're not going to go on, you know, in 50, 60 years.
Mike:I'm going to go on social media and below.
Mike:This is crap.
Mike:You know, it'll just be fresh, hopefully.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, I think, I don't think we've got it as one of our stories this week, but Jude Law was interviewed recently and he said that he's really, really nervous about skeleton crew going out because he's seen, he's seen what's happened in the past with Star wars actors being absolutely destroyed because of something they've done in Star wars because of this very reason.
Gary Elliott:It's like you've got the old crew who were just, you know, we need more, we need more Star wars to make me feel like I did when I watched Star Wars.
Gary Elliott:But then you also got a.
Gary Elliott:Cater to.
Gary Elliott:It's such a unique.
Gary Elliott:You're right, dude.
Gary Elliott:It's.
Gary Elliott:They're in such a unique position with it where it's.
Gary Elliott:I, we've said it many times.
Gary Elliott:I certainly wouldn't want this job.
Gary Elliott:Years ago I really wanted to.
Gary Elliott:It's like, oh, what's your dream job?
Gary Elliott:You know, other than working, you know, doing what I'm doing now, of course.
Gary Elliott:But what's your dream job?
Gary Elliott:I'd love to work at like Pixar or, you know, Lucasfilm making Star wars stuff.
Gary Elliott:But now, gee, I don't know, man.
Gary Elliott:I honestly don't know.
Mike:Yeah, and that's such a shame that someone like Du Law feels like that.
Mike:It's not like he's not accomplished.
Mike:It's not like he's done good work.
Mike:It's not like he's pretty well revered and, you know, I just think it's a symptom of the, the world that we're in at the minute with social media and so on.
Mike:But we'll see how that goes.
Mike:We'll see what happens with that one.
Mike:But it's not helping the next new news article is that reported by variety last week.
Mike: ,: Mike:Now we don't know which one it was going to be, but we were going to get one.
Mike:Now we're not.
Mike:Now we're getting Ice Age 6, which I'm up for.
Gary Elliott:Arguably a better film than whatever we're going to get.
Mike:I like it.
Mike:Yeah, probably better.
Mike:I do like, I do like Ice Edge, but I don't know which movie this was going to be.
Mike:So it means that we've only got only the Mandalorian and Grogu.
Mike:Directed by the Fav.
Mike: ,: Mike:Now it's, it's weird this because if you like, if you think back pre Marvel, when did we get more than one Star wars movie in a year?
Mike:Like you got one every, what, two or three years?
Mike: Like before: Mike:And you're like, oh, that's fine, that's cool, that's all right.
Mike:But at the same time, it's like we've said before.
Mike:And actually I want to say this, but then I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll underpin it with something slightly different.
Mike:It's like we've said before, they keep dropping these movies and pulling these movies out.
Mike:However, how often does this happen in the cinema ecosystem, the movie making Hollywood ecosystem, where you pencil a dating and it just doesn't happen.
Mike:You swap it out, but because it's Star wars, it's under the microscope, it's a big problem.
Mike:It's an issue.
Mike:So again, is it, you know, we get, we're getting a Star wars movie in one year, do we need two?
Mike:Probably not.
Mike:Probably not.
Mike:It's cool.
Mike:It's totally cool.
Mike:So I'm, I've got, I can see both sides of this, you know, it being a problem, but at the same time not.
Mike:And I think it, for me it just comes back down to that.
Mike:Stop freaking announcing.
Gary Elliott:Yes, agreed.
Gary Elliott:We're in this, we're in this position, aren't we, where we've been spoiled, really, with Star wars content.
Gary Elliott:A lot of people will complain, right?
Gary Elliott:They'll say since the Disney buyout, they've ruined Star wars and all the rest of it.
Gary Elliott:But, and there's also the question of Star wars fatigue as well.
Gary Elliott:I think that's something that's been, that's been knocked about for a While.
Gary Elliott:But we have had a lot of content over the last few years, dude.
Gary Elliott:As well as.
Gary Elliott:Not so much in the way of films, but certainly over at Disney plus we've had loads of Star wars stuff.
Gary Elliott:And yeah, now this has happened.
Gary Elliott:It's like other franchises like Transformers, I guess, and some of the Marvel stuff.
Gary Elliott:You know those big franchises where you get like one film, like you said, every few years.
Gary Elliott:It's like fans are like, oh, this is amazing.
Gary Elliott: onna get another film in like: Gary Elliott:Oh, brilliant.
Gary Elliott:I can't wait for that.
Gary Elliott:But where it's Star Wars.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, it's like, oh, you're only getting one film this year.
Gary Elliott:Oh, this is outra.
Gary Elliott:This is absolutely outrageous.
Gary Elliott:So we guessed, didn't we, that this was going to be that new Jedi Order film?
Gary Elliott: two or three films slated for: Gary Elliott:What do we say at the time?
Gary Elliott:I'm sure it was the new Jedi Order film with Rey, because we were talking about, you know, because at that point production was in full swing pre production anyway, and we thought, well, that's not bags of time to do the visual effects, everything, but they could still do it.
Gary Elliott:So I'm wondering if it was that one.
Gary Elliott:But I don't know, man.
Gary Elliott:I mean, any other franchise, it wouldn't necessarily be a problem.
Gary Elliott:The only thing I can think of that's kind of similar is Marvel keep pulling the Blade film.
Gary Elliott:I think fans are getting a bit miffed with that now because they keep moving it around.
Gary Elliott:But if it's any other franchise, it wouldn't be a problem.
Gary Elliott:But because Disney have made a rod for their own back where they keep doing this thing where it's like, here's an announcement.
Gary Elliott:Nope, it's not happening now.
Gary Elliott:Here's a film.
Gary Elliott:No, we're not doing it now.
Gary Elliott:Here's a release date.
Gary Elliott:No, we're not doing it now.
Gary Elliott:It's just.
Gary Elliott:It's really starting to gray on people.
Gary Elliott:So I think that's kind of justified, dude, for people to have a little bit of the hump.
Gary Elliott:Not a bit.
Gary Elliott:Not because we're only getting one Star wars film, but more so it's just like you keep telling us we're getting stuff and then.
Gary Elliott:And then you pull it.
Gary Elliott:I think that's the problem.
Mike:Yeah, I think.
Mike:I agree.
Mike:I think that's the bigger issue.
Mike:This is just a symptom of it.
Mike:We'll just have to see on it again.
Mike:We've talked about this before.
Mike:I'm sort of just not really that interested.
Mike:Like I only really care about something now when there's actual footage.
Mike:That's, that's where I just am with it at the minute because I don't, I just don't think we can guarantee anything else.
Mike:So we'll see on that one.
Mike:We'll.
Mike:We'll see, man.
Mike:We do know that skeleton crew is coming along and one of the, one of the co creators, Chris Ford has spoken to screen ran about really where this fits in the timeline.
Mike:We know it takes place post Return the Jedi in that Mando verse space.
Mike:So whether that is the five year period where the mando started or much later, you know, eight, nine, ten years after, who knows.
Mike:But one of the interesting things here that Chris has said, Chris, like I know him, has said, is why they chose that period.
Mike:And it's not so that it can tie to everyone else.
Mike:And we know there'll probably be cameos and some scoundrels making appearances all well and good, but he said that the reason for setting it like this and putting it here is that actually there needs to be a little bit of a space for people to go and get lost and not get bailed out by other people.
Mike:So if you think about it in the High Republic, if you set the.
Mike:And this is what he goes on to say.
Mike:If you set it in the High Republic like some missing kids in a spaceship gonna get whipped out by a, you know, a do good a Jedi really quickly because there's tens of thousands of them.
Mike:If you set it during the reign of the Empire, they're going to get picked up by the Empire because the space lanes and so eventually they'll come across some stormtroopers and they'll just pick them up.
Mike:And he just said that.
Mike:It just seemed a very logical place to put this because although the New Republic's there, they've not really got this together all that much.
Mike:That as we know they're certainly not as they don't have a military.
Mike:They're not as prominent throughout the Gar galaxy as we've seen in the Mandalorian on Tatooine and wherever else.
Mike:Everything's still a little bit Wild Westy.
Mike:We've seen it on Coruscant with Senator Z and, and Harrison Duller and Ahsoka.
Mike:You know, not everything's going well there.
Mike:Resources are low.
Mike:So it just said there's room for pirates and Scoundrels.
Mike:But we needed to give room for pirates and scoundrels.
Mike:You know, we needed the ability for someone to go and get lost for a little bit and without the worry of.
Mike:Of, I suppose, the backlash, because you would.
Mike:You get the b.
Mike:That wouldn't have happened, you know, so it just feels.
Mike:It just reckons it feels like a good time space to.
Mike:To set this and.
Mike:And.
Mike:And to.
Mike:To give it room to breathe, which I quite like.
Mike:I think it's time for something fresh, you know, I think it'll be quite nice.
Mike:We know we'll get some cameos and whatever else, but I.
Mike:I just seems like it's got a reasonably clean slate and the time period seems to fit that.
Gary Elliott:Yes, agreed.
Gary Elliott:No, I agree with this, mate.
Gary Elliott:I think this is a good.
Gary Elliott:A good shout because it's the Marvel TV issue.
Gary Elliott:Otherwise you think about a lot of the Marvel TV stuff that's on Disney plus where you've got like one or two people knocking around saving the whole of New York or the planet, whatever.
Gary Elliott:There's no way that a lot of those stories would happen and all of the Avengers are just on vacation somewhere.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, you know, it's like, come on.
Gary Elliott:At some point, one of the Avengers would have shown up and just handled this, and away we go.
Mike:Of course, the biggest example is like, Eternals, and I wouldn't have.
Mike:Yeah, no chance.
Gary Elliott:Yeah.
Gary Elliott:Yeah.
Gary Elliott:So I know that doesn't make for very good storytelling, but, you know, if you've got your, you know, what's the word?
Gary Elliott:Pedantic, you know, couple of pints down, hat on.
Mike:Oh, yeah.
Gary Elliott:Well, you know.
Gary Elliott:Well, I don't agree with the Avengers thing because, you know, Thor would have turned up and got him over after this episode three.
Gary Elliott:So I totally get it.
Gary Elliott:You know, you can't have Jedi knocking around to save the day.
Gary Elliott:You can't have the Empire knocking around to, you know, to put a spanner in the works.
Gary Elliott:You've got to have a little bit of breathing room just to tell a good story.
Gary Elliott:So, yeah, I'm up for this, mate.
Gary Elliott:I think this is a good shout.
Mike:Yeah, I agree.
Mike:I think it'll be quite nice just to see something a little bit fresh.
Mike:Something that is completely saddled to the saga is, of course, Andor.
Mike:So season two, we got the logo, an updated logo, which is actually really quite nice.
Mike:You'll probably appreciate this as a design bod.
Mike:Quite a nice little logo out there.
Mike: ,: Mike:And off the back of that Diego Luna has come out and just said, look, this is going to be really good.
Mike:We know you've waited a couple of years for it, which, you know, TV series come out every year usually.
Mike:But we're in a.
Mike:We live in a world of streaming now.
Mike:It just doesn't need to be that, especially the budgets of these things.
Mike:And he says it's worth the wait.
Mike:He says it will change the complexion of Rogue One.
Mike:You know, if we look at, I think season one was set.
Mike:Was season one set like 10 years before, like around the solo time frame at the real peak of the Empire?
Mike:And then Andor season two is set five years before the beginning of Rogue One, with each three story arc having a time jump between them.
Mike:And by the end of it, we're going to see Saga, we're going to see Mon Mothma.
Mike:By the end of it it will roll straight into Rogue One, like literally straight where we see him gonna get the, the Imperial defect to the Imperial Spy and he's on that planet where he has to.
Mike:He has to kill the guy, sadly.
Mike:So this looks quite interesting, dude.
Mike:I'm that andor is that I'm genuinely quite excited about because I think Gilroy wrote a really good piece in Andor season one.
Mike:It was, you know, the pacing, some people had issues with that, but it was a well written thing.
Mike:You know, no one, no one's pissed off at Breaking Bad either or the Sopranos or, or whatever or Succession for being slow.
Mike:So yeah, I, I'm excited for this, dude.
Mike:I'm excited for it and I think, I think it'd be interesting to go back, watch season one again, you know, in my back end of March, go and watch season one again, roll into season two and then smash out Rogue One.
Mike:I think that'll be a nice little thing to do.
Mike:So yeah.
Mike:You're excited for this?
Gary Elliott:I am actually, mate.
Gary Elliott:Eoth.
Gary Elliott:And woe is us.
Gary Elliott:Yeah.
Gary Elliott:Star wars fans, we have to watch another new Star wars thing that they're putting out.
Gary Elliott:Oh no.
Gary Elliott:So I think this is kind of cool that we've got some details as far out.
Gary Elliott:Normally we get stuff.
Gary Elliott:When is this out?
Gary Elliott:What month is it next year?
Gary Elliott:April.
Mike:April 22nd.
Gary Elliott:Yeah.
Gary Elliott:So normally sort of February time we'd get some more details about it and the teaser and stuff.
Gary Elliott:It's cool that we've got some, some deets on it already and I think, yeah, it's one of those divisive things, isn't it, amongst fandom because you've got a section of fandom that are very much like, where are.
Gary Elliott:There's no lightsabers and there's no pew, pew, pew.
Gary Elliott:And.
Gary Elliott:And all that stuff.
Gary Elliott:And fine, go and watch your.
Gary Elliott:Go and get your DVDs and your Blu Rays out, mate.
Gary Elliott:Yeah.
Gary Elliott:Because you're not giving Disney money anymore.
Gary Elliott:I'm not going to fund that.
Gary Elliott:So go and get your Blue Razor and watch.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, of course you are.
Gary Elliott:Oh, how are you watching all the Marvel stuff, then?
Gary Elliott:Oh, yeah.
Mike:What?
Gary Elliott:Well, it's a funny thing.
Gary Elliott:Funny thing that I didn't actually cancel it.
Gary Elliott:I'm meaning to, you know, it's on the.
Gary Elliott:It's on the agenda.
Mike:There was a problem with my credit card.
Mike:It just carried on paying.
Mike:Yeah, Neck be a jerk.
Gary Elliott:Those bloody credit cards, eh?
Gary Elliott:You just can't turn them off.
Gary Elliott:Hey.
Gary Elliott:But yes, I.
Gary Elliott:I'm looking forward.
Mike:It'll probably be their mum's credit card dealer.
Mike:Well, my mom, she's actually the account holder and she doesn't let me have passwords because I sometimes don't wear trousers.
Gary Elliott:Yes.
Gary Elliott:Oh, okay.
Gary Elliott:So just to confirm, you'd like to cancel your Disney Plus?
Gary Elliott:Yes.
Gary Elliott:Are you the account holder, sir?
Gary Elliott:Yeah, funny story.
Mike:And then what you hear on background is this.
Mike:Mum, Mum, no, come here now.
Mike:No, Mom.
Mike:Hi, yeah, just.
Mike:Sorry, one second.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, yeah, yeah, the telephone voice.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, just bear with me just one moment, please.
Mike:One second.
Mike:Yeah.
Gary Elliott:They'Re all watching it, mate.
Gary Elliott:They're all fucking.
Gary Elliott:We would.
Gary Elliott:This is something that happens in the Doctor who community as well a lot, where there's a big bunch of fandom that just cannot stand, like, recent Doctor who.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, but, yeah.
Gary Elliott:Oh, but you're watching it every week, though.
Gary Elliott:Well, yeah.
Gary Elliott:You know, you've got to watch it.
Gary Elliott:Have you?
Gary Elliott:Because you don't.
Gary Elliott:You just told everyone that you hate it and it's the worst thing you've ever seen.
Gary Elliott:But you've got to watch it every week, though, right?
Mike:How do I know what to slag off if I don't watch it?
Gary Elliott:Exactly, yeah.
Gary Elliott:So there will be a portion of fandom that are like this with Andor because they were like.
Gary Elliott:It was season one, however, screw that.
Gary Elliott:I think this was a really good series, just paced really well, actually.
Gary Elliott:You and I said that when we reviewed it, a lot of people complaining about the slow pace and everything, but we were like, nah, man, cool.
Gary Elliott:Let the characters do their thing.
Gary Elliott:Build it up.
Mike:Yeah.
Mike:And I think if you frame that in your mind as that, you know, I think it's easy sometimes to see Star wars and want a big twist at the End or want a big cameo or a big ooh that connects to that.
Mike:Which a lot of Andor does and did.
Mike:But it's subtleties and it was storytelling.
Mike:And it's like when you.
Mike:We just finished Succession and you know that instantly grabs you and you feel completely satisfied by each episode.
Mike:And there's only a few shows that have done that for me, like Succession's one of them Penguins, one of them recently, then Back in the Day, Sopranos, Breaking Bad, Better Call Saul.
Mike:I can't think of many more.
Mike:5, 6 series that every episode you're completely satisfied by.
Mike:And I think Andor's one of those.
Gary Elliott:Types where Sex and the City, maybe Satka.
Mike:Yeah, yeah, all of that.
Mike:And the movies.
Mike:And it's.
Mike:It's.
Mike:I think you just got to step out of it being.
Mike:There's not going to be a big twist.
Mike:There might be a cameo, but it's not going to be like a ho, ho, here's the savior, the Jedi.
Mike:And that was great in Mandalorian when Luke turned up, like, that was just a different type of great.
Mike:But that's the thing, I think that a lot of Star wars fans don't understand is there can be different types of good and different types of great and different types of quality.
Mike:And it's.
Mike:They're all good and great.
Mike:They're just different versions of it and different types of it.
Mike:I just think that, you know, Andor's got a really unique place in that.
Mike:So I'm looking forward to that.
Mike:Dude, I'm really keen for that.
Mike:We'll see if Diego Luna is.
Mike:See if he's telling pokies or not, but I don't think he is.
Mike:I think it'll be good.
Mike:And I'm really keen to see Skarsgard's character, see what happens to him.
Mike:Like, he was one of the most intriguing parts of this entire season.
Mike:So Lutheran Rail, I'm really keen to see what happens with him.
Gary Elliott:Same.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, he was really good, actually.
Gary Elliott:He provided a little bit of.
Gary Elliott:What's the word?
Mike:Gravitas.
Gary Elliott:Gravitas and intrigue into how his character.
Gary Elliott:Because we.
Gary Elliott:They kept us guessing for a while, didn't they, as to what he's getting, what his deal was.
Gary Elliott:So, yeah.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, I'm up for that, man.
Mike:Yeah, really keen for that.
Mike:All right, let's get to some news about.
Mike:About some toys.
Mike:And then we're going to finish up on some rumors, the rumor mill.
Mike:We could do this forever because there's always.
Mike:There are always releases around Black Friday and Christmas time.
Mike:But I picked out three for this, I guess I know you'll have seen some of these as well that we've got first up.
Mike:So the gifting Gift the Galaxy, which is a Hasbro initiative where they're just over the course of a couple of weeks, every day they release new products.
Mike:It's to try and add a little bit of fun and a little bit of anticipation to it.
Mike:But it's basically, here's all our product drop for Christmas.
Mike:Right, that's cool.
Mike:Nothing wrong with that.
Mike:But one thing that caught my eye was they've released the Black series Force Effects lightsaber, which is a Balen skull lightsaber which has got the ready orange blade.
Mike:And apparently according to the release, it's full size.
Mike:It's a full 1:1 scale size, which is actually quite rare in these.
Mike:Full 1:1 scale, fully functioning inbuilt speakers, all sorts of gear on it.
Mike:249 quid.
Mike:You can pre order it from next week.
Mike:As someone that's got a couple of lightsabers, I've got the Anakin one and I've got one from Batuu that I made.
Mike:This looks really good, man.
Mike:Like for that kind of money you are going to get a real quality bit of kit here.
Mike:And I've seen the OB ones, you know, I've seen these, this, this series in the Obi Wan version and that is really good.
Mike:So this is anything like this, I think it would be better.
Mike:It's a real good bit of kit, dude.
Mike:So, yeah, I'm not sure we'll pick this up because it's two is 250quid.
Mike:But it looks badass, man.
Gary Elliott:It does, yeah.
Gary Elliott:And what is it you said about it?
Gary Elliott:What's cool?
Gary Elliott:All the scale, like one to one.
Gary Elliott:It's pretty big.
Gary Elliott:That's kind of cool.
Gary Elliott:And apparently it's got some advanced LED light systems built in as well as well as the onboard speaker that you normally get and stuff.
Gary Elliott:But I think it's really cool just for those two reasons.
Gary Elliott:I think it's the unique sort of orangey red lava sort of colored blade which is very cool, which they've captured perfectly.
Gary Elliott:So when you, if you were to go back and watch those eps when he has a bit of a show showdown with Ahsoka, this exactly the same, which is really cool.
Gary Elliott:So you want that sort of screen accuracy and yeah, it's just really cool.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, I'm not sure I'm gonna pick it up though.
Gary Elliott:I don't want to drop 270quid.
Gary Elliott:Just yet.
Gary Elliott:On a life.
Mike:Well, you're in like sideshow collectibles hot toy territory there, aren't you?
Mike:For a figure, if you're gonna drop, if you've got 250 to stick on a Star wars bit of kit, you're probably picking up an Anakin or an Obi Wan or a Luke, you know, some of the top tier figurines, you know, the models.
Mike:That would be my view anyway.
Mike:And I'm right, so I'll share that view, mate.
Gary Elliott:You are.
Mike:No, Yeah, I was taking the approach of all Star wars trolls.
Gary Elliott:Yeah.
Mike:By the way, I'm right.
Mike:Fuck you all.
Mike:I own Twitter.
Mike:All right, Elon, Calm down.
Mike:Shagger.
Mike:Easy, easy, boss.
Gary Elliott:Calm down.
Gary Elliott:He's shouting at me again.
Gary Elliott:Leave me alone.
Mike:You're not my real dad.
Gary Elliott:He's not your dad.
Gary Elliott:Shouldn't have said that.
Mike:Who pays the bills?
Mike:Yeah, I'm turning your Xbox game pass off, you little nerd.
Mike:Get a job, Mom.
Mike:New character in the works right here.
Mike:Tune back in January, January 18, for more character development like this.
Mike:All right?
Mike:Lego Lego Lego LEGO Ultimate Collector series.
Mike:We've got a few of these knocking around, haven't we?
Mike:They put out a Luke Skywalker's giant X34 land speeder a couple of years ago.
Mike:A 1,000, almost 1,900 piece kit, which is.
Mike:It's about standard for a UCS.
Mike:Unless you've got like Mosaic, which I think is like 282 9.
Mike: About: Mike:It wouldn't be Black Friday without a deal.
Mike:So we've got a report on this one because it really is a.
Mike:It really is a good deal, this one.
Mike:So this has come down from 240 bucks.
Mike:It's come down by 65 to 175 now for a UCS.
Mike:This is a genuine, actual, legitimate bargain.
Mike:Because UCS are expensive.
Mike:I've got the R2, I've got the Batman, Batwing and a couple of others, Air Wing.
Mike:And I like, they're always upwards of 222.30.
Mike:So this is a genuine deal, dude.
Mike:A genuine deal.
Mike:I actually, I'm not saying you will pick it up, but I imagine this is something that you would pick up.
Gary Elliott:Yep.
Gary Elliott:When I saw this, I was like, oh, for fuck's sake.
Mike:Yeah.
Gary Elliott:You know, when you've budgeted for something, you think, right, I've got my money lined up for some other bits.
Gary Elliott:Not that I'm not, you know, a bit of a shop.
Mike:You got a Beamer?
Gary Elliott:I've never.
Gary Elliott:I've Got an old Beamer because I like the old.
Mike:The old three rear wheel drive around the old Rugby roundabouts.
Mike:Indicators are not working, lads.
Gary Elliott:I'm sending this car back.
Gary Elliott:By the way, there's this glowing orange thing on the side.
Gary Elliott:I keep accidentally knocking something and it's the.
Gary Elliott:I don't know what it is.
Gary Elliott:Bringing it back.
Mike:Hi, mate.
Mike:I've got this light and it just keeps coming on and flashing and I don't know what to do with it.
Mike:Don't use that, mate.
Gary Elliott:I won't bother with it.
Mike:Yeah, no one else does.
Mike:We're trying to get taken off, but.
Gary Elliott:The Beamer I've got is this.
Gary Elliott:I like the old 3 Series shape and model, which is why I went for it.
Mike:They look mint, to be fair.
Mike:They do look good, yeah.
Gary Elliott:And whenever I say someone says, what are you driving?
Gary Elliott:Or BMW, it's always like, are you whatever?
Gary Elliott:Well, it's weird, just a basic Beamer.
Mike:Because if you say to someone, I've got a Beamer, but if you say, I've got an older Beamer, like, they sort of respect it more.
Mike:Do you know what I mean?
Mike:It's weird that I get that completely.
Mike:I do actually get that.
Mike:Anyway, you're gonna buy this land speeder than.
Mike:Or what?
Gary Elliott:I think I might, mate.
Gary Elliott:I'm a sucker for the old.
Gary Elliott:For the land speed.
Gary Elliott:I'm glad they went with the X34, Luke's one as well, of course.
Gary Elliott:And not the older.
Gary Elliott:I wouldn't have been impressed with the V35 courier model.
Mike:Yeah, no one wants that cheap crap.
Gary Elliott:Nah, nah.
Gary Elliott:So I might do, mate.
Gary Elliott:Might do good.
Gary Elliott:I just.
Gary Elliott:I've wanted it when it first was announced, but I just didn't want to drop 250 quid on it.
Gary Elliott:But now it's that I'm like, oh, don't know, it's more tempting.
Mike:So I'm like, fuck, yeah.
Mike:No, I think it's it.
Mike:It looks smart, man.
Mike:It does.
Mike:It looks really, really smart.
Mike:I think things like this always look good displayed and like they're just never really going to age because the UCs are done.
Mike:So I don't.
Mike:I don't want to say, obviously, like in a more detailed manner, but they're done in.
Mike:In such a heavy duty way that they just look quality, like they're not going to age.
Mike:Do you know What I mean?
Mike:20 years time, kiddo's got it.
Mike:You know, it's going to look good.
Mike:So, I mean, 475 quid, man.
Mike:Geez.
Mike:It's almost daft.
Mike:Not To.
Mike:I'll tell you what is daft.
Mike:Going out dressed as Darth Vader.
Mike:Don't do that unless you want to.
Mike:In which case we got your back.
Mike:Because Colombia, they do this annually.
Mike:We've had the Hoth stuff, we've had the X Wing stuff, some rebellion stuff.
Mike:Columbia released more clothing and this is all based on Darth Vader.
Mike:And you know what?
Mike:I'm taking the piss a little bit, but in all honesty, there's some alright gear here, so.
Mike:There is.
Mike:There's some alright gear.
Mike:What I'll do is I'll go through the stuff that's not, and then I'll sort of say what I think is decent and then we can just.
Mike:You can lambast me on it.
Mike:You can just hand me on it.
Mike:So that'll be good.
Mike:So basically all it is, I'm not a logo guy, all right?
Mike:So I'm not a character guy.
Mike:I'm not a guy that's gonna walk out with a wolf on his sweatshirt.
Mike:Nor am I a guy that's gonna walk around with Darth Vader on his T shirt.
Mike:I'm just not that guy.
Mike:I'm a plain margarita eating mofo.
Mike:All right?
Mike:So whilst there are some lovely T shirts that have got Darth Vader on them, they're not for me.
Mike:Don't sweat that.
Mike:And I'll tell you what else.
Mike:I'm not going to buy some shoes.
Mike:I ain't buying walking boots, waterproof walking boots like Darth Vader because he could barely walk.
Mike:So testimony null and void.
Mike:Nor am I buying the Liam Gallagher bucket hat.
Mike:Nor am I buying that.
Mike:But what I will buy, what I might buy, there's a couple of little puffer jackets, there's a nice baseball cap, and there's, there's, there's actually like.
Mike:You know, when you're a kid at our age, right, and you're in like the 90s, right, and it's like you need a new school coat.
Mike:And your dad's like, get one like that.
Mike:I'm not gonna get one like that.
Mike:That'll look like a minor and not a child.
Mike:An actual minor.
Mike:Yep, a duffel coat.
Mike:We used to go out in the mid-70s.
Mike:They were all arranged.
Mike:Well, they're not anymore.
Mike:Shagger.
Mike:So I'm not getting one of them.
Mike:Well, it turns out that he wasn't lying about fashion coming round because there is what appears to be a miner's duffel coat there, but it's got inside of it a little zipping puffer jacket as well.
Mike:So I can see myself in that.
Mike:Looking pretty fly.
Mike:I can see myself in the other puffer jacket.
Mike:Little bit shiny, might look a little twatty, but I'm willing to risk it because I've got cheekbones that'll pull it off, as have you guys.
Mike:So Columbia's Darth Vader collection.
Mike:We'll stick a link in the show notes.
Mike:Go and have a gander, see what you want.
Mike:But are you gonna get some of this?
Mike:Guys, I think you look pretty fine.
Gary Elliott:Oh, my God, you forgot the socks, man.
Gary Elliott:The Darth Vader did forget the socks.
Mike:They're low risk.
Mike:Aren't they though?
Mike:And there's a belt as well.
Mike:Imagine that, right?
Mike:Imagine that you're out on a night out, Saturday night out, right?
Mike:Mom, give me a credit card, right?
Mike:I'm going out, finally getting out, right?
Mike:Getting out.
Mike:Neck beards.
Mike:Getting out of the basement, going out downtown, swanning round.
Mike:Get out there for like half six, whipping to walk about.
Mike:Boom, there she is.
Mike:Walk about, right?
Mike:Whipping to walk about.
Mike:Yes, love.
Mike:Two person lemony lemonade.
Mike:Thank you very much.
Mike:And some nuts, right?
Mike:Some of them.
Mike:You see her over the dance floor.
Mike:Boom.
Mike:Dirty dancing soundtrack on.
Mike:You whip your way over.
Mike:Spare Persona and lemonade.
Mike:The night goes well, you take her home.
Mike:Things are getting a bit heavy.
Mike:This belt's difficult to get off.
Mike:Well, let me do it.
Mike:All right.
Mike:Wait a minute.
Mike:What is that on that belt?
Mike:Unrelated, do you know how to get an Uber at all?
Mike:Are there any Ubers around here?
Mike:Does Uber serve this area at all?
Mike:Neck beard, virginity intact, thanks to the Columbia Darth Vader belt.
Mike:That's all I'm saying, man.
Mike:I'm not saying that happened to me at any point, but I can see how that would be a thing.
Gary Elliott:Poor first experience saved mom can't get this belt off.
Gary Elliott:Come on, take it out in a minute.
Gary Elliott:Come and give me hand.
Gary Elliott:This girl's like, you're right, mate.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, just belt, yeah, New in it.
Gary Elliott:I've got the end of it.
Gary Elliott:I got.
Gary Elliott:There's a knack to taking it off.
Mike:It's a knack.
Mike:Only me and my mom can do it.
Mike:Aren't you 27?
Mike:Yeah, doesn't matter.
Mike:Don't talk.
Mike:Shut up.
Mike:Doesn't matter.
Mike:So what do you do?
Gary Elliott:Oh, God.
Gary Elliott:This new belt, love.
Gary Elliott:Oh, just hang on.
Gary Elliott:And like mom.
Mike:You can see like classic Netbeard anger coming in as mom.
Mike:A bit like Johnny Vegas on Benidorm.
Mike:Because she's not my mom, she's my peer.
Gary Elliott:It's a bit like an episode of the in betweeners.
Gary Elliott:Don't.
Gary Elliott:If any listeners have seen it.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, I've only seen it briefly, but I remember seeing one episode where this guy's about to have his first experience and something's wrong downstairs and he starts punching the crap out of it.
Gary Elliott:Can imagine that with his belt.
Gary Elliott:Just smacking the crap out of it.
Mike:It's a funny episode that.
Mike:Why don't you just work?
Gary Elliott:Why don't you just work?
Gary Elliott:Yeah, same thing with a belt.
Gary Elliott:Why don't you just come off?
Gary Elliott:And I need you to come off.
Mike:When I'm running in front of my friends when I try out for the football team.
Mike:You fall down, don't you, you shit.
Mike:But not now.
Gary Elliott:Oh, yeah.
Gary Elliott:I mean, who knows?
Gary Elliott:That experience could absolutely happen with his belt.
Mike:We need a satirical YouTube neckbeard channel that, like, parodies Star wars fans, that are the trolls.
Mike:And we just, like.
Mike:Basically, that's our contribution to Star wars fandom, is being like the police of.
Mike:But doing it through parody and just being a fat net beard.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, it's just.
Gary Elliott:It's written itself, really.
Mike:It's written itself.
Mike:Yeah.
Mike:And since Carl Weathers died, we've not been able to make any of those kind of jokes out of respect.
Mike:So we've not.
Mike:We've had no characters to play against.
Mike:But now Darth Neckbeard returns.
Gary Elliott:The characters were there the whole time.
Mike:We could even do his breathing like Darth Vader, but it's just because he's fat and got asthma.
Mike:Just get it.
Mike:Every time he runs upstairs for a sandwich.
Mike:It's like.
Gary Elliott:The unboxing video.
Mike:Are you all right, Jason?
Gary Elliott:Jason?
Gary Elliott:Yeah, the unboxing video.
Gary Elliott:Jason, your Columbia package is here.
Gary Elliott:You've got a shake, Mom.
Gary Elliott:Just drop it down the stairs.
Mike:But don't smash it.
Gary Elliott:Darfeed a belt.
Mike:And then he's like, definitely got a telephone voice when he's recording his YouTube.
Mike:Hey, guys, it's me, Jason.
Mike:I'm back with a brand new unboxing here on my channel, Roblox.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, and it's that.
Gary Elliott:Oh, man.
Gary Elliott:It's the same YouTube spiel as well, isn't it?
Gary Elliott:Every other YouTube on the planet.
Gary Elliott:Are you Jason here?
Gary Elliott:I'm back again with another video.
Gary Elliott:Remember to hit, like, subscribe.
Mike:Don't forget to smash that like and subscribe button right now.
Mike:Smash it.
Mike:Smash it.
Mike:Let me know what you think in the comments.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, we got more Star wars content on the way.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, smash subscribe button.
Gary Elliott:Oh, man.
Gary Elliott:What are we talking about?
Mike:Jason the neckbeard in his mum's basement.
Mike:That Is quite literally a sketch waiting to happen.
Gary Elliott:Jason.
Gary Elliott:Yeah.
Mike:So you're not gonna buy the belt?
Gary Elliott:Not getting the belt.
Gary Elliott:Because I'm fearful now of that playing out.
Gary Elliott:Yeah.
Gary Elliott:But I might pick up the baseball cap.
Mike:It does look nifty, that.
Gary Elliott:Quite minimal.
Gary Elliott:Quite.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, yeah.
Gary Elliott:It doesn't shout like, look at me, I've just sucked off Darth Vader.
Gary Elliott:But it looks quite cool.
Mike:Well, it's one of those.
Mike:What I quite like about.
Mike:I'm a.
Mike:I'm a real big fan of subtlety and stuff like this.
Mike:It's one of those where unless you knew what it was, you're just like, oh, that's a black baseball cap.
Mike:That's cool.
Mike:But yeah, and the subtlety would do it.
Mike:That's, I think, why I like the jackets because, like, I'm not a big puffer jacket guy.
Mike:But if, you know, you can buy jackets like that just else just in the shops, you know, you just get them.
Mike:It's not like it's.
Mike:Look at me, I've got Star wars emblazoned on my back sort of thing.
Mike:So I do quite like these.
Gary Elliott:Dude, it's got detachable sleeves.
Gary Elliott:One of them.
Mike:Yeah.
Mike:You turn into a gilet, mate.
Gary Elliott:It's all nice.
Mike:Gillette.
Mike:Rude Gillet.
Gary Elliott:Like it.
Mike:Rude gullet.
Mike:How have we never got to that?
Mike:Rude gullet Rudolet, the old football player.
Mike:How have that.
Mike:How has that never become a funny thing?
Mike:And he's not really saying ball gullet, it's just.
Mike:And he's always getting it wrong.
Mike:No, Forest Jagger, it's not rude Hullet, mate.
Mike:I know you're into your Chelsea and your early 90s Netherlands football, but mate, it's Borgulit.
Gary Elliott:Rude.
Mike:How's that not a parody?
Mike:Jesus, we're on fire.
Mike:Unbelievable.
Mike:Unbelievable.
Gary Elliott:Keep them coming.
Mike:Yeah, might bloody have to.
Mike:Right, we're going to finish up on two rumors from the mill of Ruler.
Mike:Rumors.
Mike:Rulers.
Mike:Do you know why I said rulers then?
Mike:Because I'm looking at this rumor and it's of Palpatine.
Mike:So in my head I was like ruler because he rules everything.
Mike:Done it.
Mike:So well done.
Mike:Yeah.
Mike:Never radio would I.
Mike:So we've got two rumors.
Mike:They're not rumors, they're just made up.
Mike:So the Sith archives have done a fan poster showing Tom Hiddleston as Palpatine.
Mike:It looks like they've took us a photo.
Mike:A well lit.
Mike:It's either CGI or they've took a well lit photo of like a Loki Hot toys.
Mike:Because the skin texture looks like the throne one and then put it into like a Star wars story.
Mike:Palpatine.
Mike:Now it's clearly bollocks, but the Hiddleston stuff has gone around for a while.
Mike:Even Emitter chimed in and said actually a younger Palpatine story could be quite good.
Mike:And Tom Hiddleston got interviewed recently, I think with Josh Horowitz.
Mike:Had a bit of banter.
Mike:Just saying I'd have to have to age myself up a little bit.
Mike:That said, this is clearly rumor.
Mike:However, Acolyte's gone.
Mike:Darth Plagueis is around.
Mike:Khmer exists.
Mike:You know, there are threads that could be pulled upon that could lead into a young Palpatine thing.
Mike:So I.
Mike:This is truly a rumor.
Mike:Like genuinely, I don't think there's anything in this, but I could see it happening.
Mike:I could potentially see it happening.
Mike:And I'll go as far as to say that I think Tommy Dalton would actually be perfect for it.
Mike:I think it would be really good for it.
Mike:So, yeah, what do you make of this dude?
Mike:Clearly bollocks in it, but could be fun.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, clearly bs.
Gary Elliott:And it is a hot toys figure, I think.
Mike:Is it?
Gary Elliott:I think so.
Mike:Was it a low key one?
Gary Elliott:Yeah, I think so.
Gary Elliott:I mean if they were to do it then I think it'd be like the casting would be great.
Gary Elliott:I think he would be really good.
Gary Elliott:However, the only thing I can go on with Power, I could be wrong here.
Gary Elliott:The only thing I can go on with Palps's history is that.
Gary Elliott:And that's from the Plagueis book.
Gary Elliott:Nothing really happens with Palps until he gets into his kind of like his.
Mike:20S, 30s, isn't it?
Gary Elliott:Yeah.
Gary Elliott:And even then nothing really happens because he plays, as we know, because that character's so good at playing the long game.
Gary Elliott:He kind of established himself as a bit of a sort of low key political figure and then just behind the scenes, you know, does his thing quite slowly.
Gary Elliott:So casting wise, if they were to ever do it, yes, I think Hiddleston would be good story wise, narratively.
Gary Elliott:I just don't think there's enough meat on the bones unless they just make stuff up.
Gary Elliott:Unless they just retcon his stories backstory and throw in a load of cool stuff perhaps.
Gary Elliott:But as it stands at the minute, yeah, it's not much.
Gary Elliott:Nothing really happens with him until we get closer to him.
Gary Elliott:The Phantom Menace.
Mike:Well, it's.
Mike:Well, I think what's interesting about this entire setup is that there's opportunity probably to do like a Plagueis short series and just, you know, try and tie up some of the acolyte threads with come here because he was such a good character.
Mike:And, you know, if you wanna.
Mike:If you want to bank a bit, just do something like that where you finish those stories, you lean on Plagueis and you introduce Palpatine as the next apprentice.
Mike:And it doesn't need to.
Mike:Like you said, everything that Palpatine did was manipulating banking clans with Plagueis and stuff and learning how to do stuff.
Mike:He didn't really go out and.
Mike:Well, certainly not according to the Plagueis book.
Mike:He was not doing stuff like you said, out in the galaxy.
Mike:He was being a politician and learning to be a badass sith behind the scenes.
Mike:So it's.
Mike:But again, you're sort of in this challenging position where you've got a book that people love and Jason, the big neck Bee, Nikki, BJB is gonna just fly off the handle in it.
Mike:It's gonna fly off the handle.
Mike:Oh, this was not in the Plagueis.
Mike:But.
Mike:No, it's not.
Mike:It's not, is it?
Mike:And it show you then back to the same issue, man.
Mike:Yeah, it's tough.
Mike:It's real tough.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, he'd lose it, old jb, wouldn't he just.
Gary Elliott:Yeah.
Gary Elliott:Yeah.
Gary Elliott:Straight on the Internet.
Gary Elliott:Twitter X.
Gary Elliott:Star wars is over.
Mike:Chuck all his Star wars stuff away.
Mike:But he'd like you do it like Brent when he throws out the paper magazine.
Mike:You know what I mean?
Mike:Oh, I'll just place it on the bin and go back and get it at midnight.
Mike:Crying.
Mike:I'm sorry.
Gary Elliott:Yeah.
Gary Elliott:I didn't mean to.
Mike:Millennium.
Mike:It's not you, it's them.
Gary Elliott:Hiddleston night dude would be good.
Mike:I like Kiddleston, mate.
Mike:I think he's really good.
Mike:I really like him.
Mike:I think he's good just overall.
Mike:So I think.
Mike:I actually think, like, he's very good as Loki, but it's sort of like that's like an easy role.
Mike:It feels, you know, he's just.
Mike:I think he's even.
Mike:I think he's just better than Loki, which I'm not saying I don't like Loki because I think he's good in that.
Mike:But.
Mike:Yeah.
Mike:Well, the next one is interesting.
Mike:So this.
Mike:This scoop of my time to shine.
Mike:Hello.
Mike:Has been doing the rounds.
Mike:We did this last week.
Mike:He scooped or they scooped another thing and they're calling it a scoop.
Mike:It's not.
Mike:It's a rumor.
Mike:They've been doing everything, man.
Mike:They've been doing everything.
Mike:Daredevil, Spider Man, Avengers, Doomsday, Secret Wars.
Mike:This.
Mike:This scooper allegedly knows everything.
Mike:Right?
Mike:So it's clearly Made up.
Mike:But again, who knows?
Mike:So the rumor is that one Henry Cavill is in talks to play someone in Star Wars.
Mike:And then the article just goes on basically to list out every potential movie that is in the works by.
Mike:By virtue of doing that.
Mike:Trying to link the fact that he could be part of any one of these.
Mike:Of course he could, because they are movies that are in development and they need people.
Mike: e doing is linking it to from: Mike:He's swimming in the sea with some diving gear on, and he says, love, you know, to paraphrase, love being Superman.
Mike:But out here being like a villain in.
Mike:In Star wars or ready to play a villain in Star wars, clearly referencing the fact that his mask looks like Darth Vader.
Mike:He's not saying I want to be a villain in Star wars, is it?
Mike:So I think this has just come.
Mike:I think it's just made up from that.
Mike:However, I like Henry Cavill.
Mike:It was good in Superman.
Mike:I thought it was a great Superman.
Mike:Eat if you disagree with me.
Mike:That's right.
Mike:I'm Jason the Neckbeard.
Mike:The other thing I liked him in.
Mike:I liked him Mission Impossible.
Mike:Really liked him in Wolverine, Deadpool and Wolverine.
Mike:Thought it was really cool in that one.
Mike:Apparently he's in talks for a Marvel thing, but I'm gonna go out here and say if he was going to be in Star wars and he was going to be a villain, give me a Darth Bane trilogy with him in it.
Mike:He would be a really good Darth Bane.
Mike:Big, strong, scary.
Mike:Could start as the mine worker with the hair and everything else, and then just the descent into being Darth Bane.
Mike:I think he would nail that, man.
Mike:He's a right nerd as well.
Mike:He's one of us.
Gary Elliott:Yes, Agreed.
Gary Elliott:Yeah.
Gary Elliott:I like.
Gary Elliott:I like Cavill.
Gary Elliott:I think he's.
Mike:He likes you.
Gary Elliott:He's a cool.
Gary Elliott:He does.
Gary Elliott:Yeah.
Gary Elliott:Yeah.
Gary Elliott:Shook his hand a few seconds longer than he's comfortable.
Gary Elliott:So I knew.
Gary Elliott:I knew he got this for good.
Gary Elliott:And I.
Gary Elliott:I think my, you know, I think one of my fave Superman films with him, man of Steel, is just still, you know, back in the early days before DC unalived themselves with all the.
Gary Elliott:That was such a cool film.
Gary Elliott:And he was great, so.
Gary Elliott:And he did show a little bit of.
Gary Elliott:I wouldn't say too much of a darker side, but when he was in the Witcher for five minutes, he was.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, he was pretty cool in that.
Gary Elliott:Showed a bit of a darker thing.
Gary Elliott:So Darth Bane.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, I can see that, mate.
Mike:Yeah.
Mike:I think he would be good for that.
Mike:He's a big lad.
Gary Elliott:He's a beast sometimes, man.
Gary Elliott:Jesus.
Mike:Big lad.
Mike:Big lad.
Mike:He's definitely got the physicality for it.
Mike:So, yeah, no, I will see a lot.
Mike:Clearly a room.
Mike:This my time to shine.
Mike:Hello.
Mike:Dude is literally everywhere right now.
Mike:Anything.
Mike:They're scooping anything and everything.
Mike:So we'll just see on that one.
Mike:But, yeah, I would never be a verse from recovery or anything.
Mike:I think he got done dirty by dc.
Mike:I think he was brill, regardless of some of the other Snyder stuff.
Mike:I thought the Superman stuff was good.
Mike:Like, they were getting close to a very good Superman then.
Mike:I agree.
Mike:Man of Steel was great.
Mike:I really loved man of Steel.
Mike:I thought it was a mint film.
Mike:That's another neckbeard syndrome in it.
Mike:Our Superman wouldn't do that.
Mike:He would.
Mike:He's there.
Mike:It's literally written down that he's done that.
Gary Elliott:God, yeah.
Gary Elliott:Superman doesn't have a hairy chest.
Gary Elliott:Who said that?
Mike:Yeah.
Gary Elliott:Oh, I don't know who specifically said it, but all the comic.
Gary Elliott:No, no, no, no, no.
Mike:In it.
Gary Elliott:It's fine, mate.
Gary Elliott:In it.
Gary Elliott:Superman didn't have hair chest.
Mike:Superman kill.
Gary Elliott:Get my laptop.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Mike:My Chromebook.
Gary Elliott:I need my Chromebook right now.
Gary Elliott:Coming, honey.
Mike:Do you want some milk?
Mike:No, Mom, I'm an adult.
Mike:Okay, I'll save it for later.
Gary Elliott:Thanks, Mom.
Mike:Hey there.
Mike:Welcome back to my channel.
Gary Elliott:Right, subscribe.
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Mike:Star Wars Theory.
Mike:Keep on rocking, brother.
Mike:Keep on rocking.
Mike:I see y'all in the comments.
Mike:Jesus.
Mike:Right, ladies.
Mike:And stop.
Mike:Let's put a pin in it there.
Mike: or this, the final episode of: Mike:Thank you so much for joining us.
Mike:We've had a good bit of banter.
Mike:Ironically, there's been nothing to talk about.
Mike:And then this week, actually, we've got some gear to talk about.
Mike:And just as we're about to go on hiatus, but we will be back on January 18th.
Mike:Huge shout out to Kev, Danny, Pascal, Denise, Tom, everyone that supports us, all of our very loyal listeners, we love and appreciate you, and we will wish you a very merry Christmas, a wonderful Thanksgiving if you're out there in the U.S.
Mike:and of course, a happy New Year.
Mike:And we will be back January 18th with a complete review of Skeleton Crew, which we hope you enjoy.
Mike:If you want more?
Mike:Well, you can check out the back catalog because we've got 230, 700 episodes that you can check out, I think roughly better thereabouts.
Mike:So go and check them out.
Mike:And for me, it's Adios, Gazler.
Mike:Good sesh, dude.
Mike:Civic back here in the new year.
Gary Elliott:Indeedy.
Gary Elliott:Yeah, good bance on this one.
Gary Elliott:And ironically, yeah, a bunch of stuff dropped to talk about.
Gary Elliott:So, yeah, enjoy, enjoy the break, listener from listening to our ship for a couple of months.
Gary Elliott:And we will be back in January.
Gary Elliott:Thank you very much.
Gary Elliott:As Mark said to our members and supporters, you guys are all very cool.
Gary Elliott:Have a fab Christmas and enjoy skeleton crew.
Gary Elliott:And we'll be back in the new year.
Gary Elliott:So until then, take care of yourselves.
Gary Elliott:And may the force be with you always.
Gary Elliott:Sa.
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Welcome, SoR listener to episode 238 and our final episode of this year!
We're taking the remainder of the year off and will be back on January 15th for our full review of Skeleton Crew. The reason for the short hiatus? Basically, Star Wars news has been extremely slow for the last few months. Of the stories we are talking about recently, it's just the same stuff or it's fan nonsense. The last thing we want to do is come back every week and not sound like our enthusiastic selves about something we love. So you get a rest for a little while!
For this episode we've got Star Wars movie calendar updates, Black Friday toy and collectibles, new Darth Vader themed clothing from Columbia and some fun tidbits from the rumour mill. Enjoy!
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